Thread: [Doubt] About DLL Injection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney McGrew View Post
    You gots to look on the bright side, if we all talk about security holes and exploit them, maybe that'll motivate people to write less crappy software. ^_^
    Not in practice, it won't. Such discussion tends to attract kiddies who are more interested in exploiting such things.

    If you want to motivate people to write less crappy software, discuss techniques to write good software and find constructive ways to motivate developers to use them.

    The basic problem is that exploiting security holes is a relatively easy task with highly visible satisfaction and payoff for the people inclined to exploit them. It is an activity that appeals to the less altruistic and more selfish people in the world, and has a low bar to entry. [There are exceptions to that statement, but you won't find many talented people who exploit security holes for altruistic reasons in the open on a forum like this].

    In contrast, writing good software is a technically challenging task that, if done well, does not give overt benefits or satisfaction for the developer. If their job is done right, it's just "what was expected". If they mess up in good faith, they get caned for it. That combination of being taken for granted if you do your job properly, but crucified whenever you make honest mistakes, is virtually guaranteed to demotivate people from doing a good job. It is easier to keep one's head below the parapet, do a mediocre job, and leave someone else to clean up the resultant mess.
    Right 98% of the time, and don't care about the other 3%.

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    You make it sound as if there are no developers who fix security holes in their programs because they get offended whenever people find them. ^_^

    But lots of programs take bug reports seriously and work toward fixing 'em. (I'd watch out for bug reports too 'cause they teach crackers how to exploit software.)

    EDIT: Well, not programs, but people developing programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney McGrew View Post
    You make it sound as if there are no developers who fix security holes in their programs because they get offended whenever people find them.
    I said no such thing. If that is your interpretation, you missed my point completely.
    Right 98% of the time, and don't care about the other 3%.

    If I seem grumpy or unhelpful in reply to you, or tell you you need to demonstrate more effort before you can expect help, it is likely you deserve it. Suck it up, Buttercup, and read this, this, and this before posting again.

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    I think it's time that we stop feeding this troll.
    What can this strange device be?
    When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
    It's got wires that vibrate and give music
    What can this thing be that I found?

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    @Grumpy: I'm pretty sure your point was that developers aren't motivated to fix holes 'cause people treat them negatively when they find 'em, but if that were true I don't think they would.

    There's not really much to argue with that though. If people start exploiting vulnerable programs then the authors and users both have a pretty good motivation to fix them. More than they'd have if the bugs were kept secret, y'know?

    @Elkvis: Why not find a Norwegian goat and ask it to throw me in a stream of water? =)

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    This thread seems to be living past its expiry date.

    *thread closed*
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